{"id":244539,"date":"2022-04-26T10:27:40","date_gmt":"2022-04-26T08:27:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patrizia.foundation\/?p=244539"},"modified":"2022-06-15T11:57:03","modified_gmt":"2022-06-15T09:57:03","slug":"interview-rutishauser-ramm","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patrizia.foundation\/en\/interview-rutishauser-ramm\/","title":{"rendered":"B. Rutishauser Ramm: About tomorrow"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_section et_pb_section_0  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_section_regular et_block_section\" >\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_row et_pb_row_0  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_row\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_4_4 et_pb_column et_pb_column_0  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et-last-child et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_text et_pb_text_0  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_text_inner\"><p><em>For more than twenty years, she has worked in Kosovo, Chechnya and Syria. In refugee camps, hospitals or prisons. Whether it\u2019s an area ravaged by conflict, natural disaster or poverty, as an emergency educationalist, Beatrice Rutishauser Ramm has worked in a variety of regions of the world struggling with crisis, not only training teachers but also accompanying them in their work with children, in some cases for many years. A thought-provoking discussion with an expert.    <\/em><\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_row et_pb_row_1  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_row\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_4_4 et_pb_column et_pb_column_1  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et-last-child et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_text et_pb_text_1  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_text_inner\"><h3><span style=\"color: #0053a2;\">What kind of support do refugee children need right now?<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>A feeling of security and stability. And depending on the age of the child, that can mean quite different things. For example, more than anything else younger children need daily routines and lots of affection. As well as that, of course children need to play, in ways that are structured so they feel safe and secure, whether that\u2019s because there\u2019s an adult present or because they\u2019re with a sibling. For the really little children, rituals are important, like reading them a bedtime story in the evening. It\u2019s a good way to finish the day on a positive note.<\/p>\n<p>This compares to children at an elementary school age, who start wanting to understand what\u2019s happening and why. For them, we can offer a sense of security by explaining how some things depend on other things, in ways that match the age group. Not only does this allay fears, but it also allows them to feel they\u2019re capable and able to do something themselves. The reason for this is that children at this age want to help, for example by making sure Mum or their siblings are all right. It\u2019s important to ensure you don\u2019t overburden children when they\u2019re in a supportive role. If they behave differently, so maybe they suddenly start wetting their beds, it\u2019s an indication that it\u2019s becoming too much for them, so you have to work on this together.<\/p>\n<p>When children start entering their teenage years, they worry a lot about the near<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_row et_pb_row_2  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_row\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_4_4 et_pb_column et_pb_column_2  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et-last-child et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_text et_pb_text_2  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_text_inner\"><p>future. They wonder if they\u2019ll be good enough for a new school, if they\u2019ll make new friends, or where they\u2019ll live. Kids need the right tools to allow them to navigate their way through all these new situations.<span style=\"color: #0053a2;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"color: #0053a2;\">What actually is an emergency educationalist?<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Emergency educationalists build bridges. They come into play whenever there\u2019s a sudden and unforeseen situation and things start going wrong. So for example, we take care of things if there are no school books. Or we show teachers how to teach without books, particularly in places like refugee camps, because they don\u2019t have \u2018official\u2019 schools. So we make sure children can continue learning, despite difficult circumstances. Emergency educationalists ensure that emphasis is given to the right teaching methods and that the content of teaching is based on the right processes. <span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"color: #0053a2;\">What\u2019s the difference between an everyday situation and an emergency?<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Even if children find themselves in extremely stressful situations or they\u2019ve had traumatic experiences, as a rule they still want to learn. But they don\u2019t want to learn the same way as they do under normal circumstances. And you still have to achieve something. The problem you have is that traumatised children don\u2019t want to look for answers. They suppress things; they don\u2019t want memories to pop up about things they want to forget. This has a fundamental impact on learning. The usual way to deal with this is to work through things, on a practical level, rather than think through things. As emergency educationalists, we work alongside teachers to shed light on the situation children find themselves in and share learning techniques with them that children can actively use themselves.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"color: #0053a2;\">How do emergency educationalists work with children?<\/span><\/h3><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_row et_pb_row_3  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_row\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_1_2 et_pb_column et_pb_column_3  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_text et_pb_text_3  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_text_inner\"><p>Definitely one of the most important things is to establish a secure framework for children. This provides a setting for positive experiences with others and mainly involves physical activity to lighten the load on the nervous system. And activities are organised to allow children to express themselves. The conversations we have with the children take place in such a way that they don\u2019t actually have to answer questions. So they decide for themselves what they want to say, or whether they want to say anything at all. You have to allow the children to join the conversation with the educationalists as if they\u2019re going on a walk in their thoughts, so they can make new connections.<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_1_2 et_pb_column et_pb_column_4  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et-last-child et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_image et_pb_image_0\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"et_pb_image_wrap \"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1280\" height=\"853\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patrizia.foundation\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beatrice-Rutishauser-Ramm.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Beatrice Rutishauser Ramm\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.patrizia.foundation\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beatrice-Rutishauser-Ramm.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/www.patrizia.foundation\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beatrice-Rutishauser-Ramm-980x653.jpg 980w, https:\/\/www.patrizia.foundation\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beatrice-Rutishauser-Ramm-480x320.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(min-width: 0px) and (max-width: 480px) 480px, (min-width: 481px) and (max-width: 980px) 980px, (min-width: 981px) 1280px, 100vw\" class=\"wp-image-244534\" \/><\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_row et_pb_row_4  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_row\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_4_4 et_pb_column et_pb_column_5  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et-last-child et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_text et_pb_text_4  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_text_inner\"><p>\u00a0One tried and trusted approach in such situations in life is to use fairy tales, as the images often reflect the situation of loss and fear you\u2019ve experienced yourself, either good or bad, in a way that\u2019s easy to grasp. And a really important point is that at the end of the story, good always prevails. We also show children how learning aids can be used to get back in touch with the things they lost because of the trauma they experienced \u2013 whether that be maths or a foreign language.<\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_row et_pb_row_5  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_row\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_4_4 et_pb_column et_pb_column_6  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et-last-child et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_text et_pb_text_5  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_text_inner\"><h3>What kind of help do they need after receiving emergency support?<\/h3>\n<p>During the second phase, children start to process what\u2019s happened on a much more conscious level. This will happen sooner or later, depending on how old they are. What\u2019s important at this point is that they\u2019re accompanied, so they acquire strategies for coping with the new challenges they face. So now teachers have to rely on the inherent curiosity of children and arouse the innate satisfaction they derive from learning. It can be quite challenging, all the more so when \u2013 as is so often the case \u2013 you have to do it in a language they haven\u2019t learnt yet.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s only when you get to the third phase that you start helping children regain their sense of self-esteem and resilience, and help them take control of their lives again.<\/p>\n<h3>What\u2019s the goal for the EduCare Europe Fund?<\/h3>\n<p>Lots of the partners we work with are overwhelmed at the moment; they feel they\u2019re on their own having to deal with children from areas in crisis. They can sense that the things the children have experienced need a different answer than \u2018it\u2019s time for the child to go back to school again\u2019. The task now is about integration and this always affects the overall class and the overall school community.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not something schools can deal with by themselves. The children need a different place, away from the classroom, a place of retreat, a place they can enjoy themselves without worrying about being overwhelmed, so they can become strong. If you connect these places to the schools, that also makes it possible to offer language lessons, or work with parents, or run other programmes related to things going on at the school.<\/p>\n<p>We have the right know-how to conduct this kind of integration work and train nursery staff and teachers. The PATRIZIA Foundation is working with a number of partner organisations to do this.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I\u2019m more specialised in the pedagogical aspects, but this makes us a good team and we can make our experience available for training courses. I say this because we mustn\u2019t forget that integrating children from areas of crisis is a gargantuan task, quite simply because it affects so many children.<\/p>\n<p><em>Interview conducted by Andreas Menke.<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_section et_pb_section_1  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_section_regular et_block_section\" >\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_row et_pb_row_6  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et_block_row\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_d4_element et_pb_column_4_4 et_pb_column et_pb_column_7  et_pb_css_mix_blend_mode et-last-child et_block_column\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_divider et_pb_divider_0 et_pb_space\"><div class=\"et_pb_divider_internal\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"et_pb_module et_d4_element et_pb_text et_pb_text_6  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"et_pb_text_inner\"><h3><span style=\"color: #0053a2;\">Beatrice Rutishauser Ramm<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Beatrice Rutishauser Ramm is a trained educationalist with a master\u2019s degree in Global Education. After ten years of teaching in the classroom, she worked as an emergency educationalist for Caritas Switzerland for nearly twenty years. The international projects she has worked on were affected by both chronic and acute crises. In early 2020, she started working as an independent consultant on emergency education topics. As part of her work for Caritas Switzerland, she developed the Essence of Learning (EoL) method, an adaptable approach that supports children with their learning requirements \u2013 in any kind of crisis. EoL is used in a variety of programmes aimed at different age groups, both inside and outside the school environment. In 2017, the EoL method was selected and funded by UNHCR for the Humanitarian Educational Accelerator (HEA) programme. Since September 2020, Ramm has been offering her expertise as an educationalist to the PATRIZIA Foundation. Her podcast series, We are in this together, was ranked in the Top 3 for the mEducation Alliance Awards 2021 in the category of Crisis and Conflict Response.        <\/p><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":56,"featured_media":244529,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"_et_pb_use_builder":"on","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-244539","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news-en"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>B. 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